You Have No Personal Connection to the TT, no matter how "old" your soul is.

In this episode, MotoGPete and Swiggy dive into the wild world of boutique superbikes with the Buell Hammerhead 1190 — a carbon-bodied, 185hp American missile that somehow exists… and slaps.

Best bike in the world this week: Buell Hammerhead

Worst Bike in the World This week: Chinese Bullshit

Also on deck:
 🏍️ A victory lap on the ridiculous Chinese "Gold Wing" clone
 🧢 Patch-culture cringe & precious Harley vibes
 🛠️ Slipper clutch vs quick shifter (we were wrong)
 🧪 Motorcycle forums, Suzuki bros, and legacy fraud brands
 🍸 Mid-Ohio Tiki Bar logistics, syrup ratios, and whether the gyro hauls more than the Vespa

Plus: spicy takes on the Isle of Man TT, Royal Enfield street cred, and Gen Z bike attitudes.

📬 Listener Qs, sticker drama, and garage mahal videos coming soon.
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Transcript

I don't want to pickle, I just want to ride on my motorcycle.
Hey, everybody.
Welcome.
This is the Nokomoto podcast episode number.
I think this is 280, it might be 279, but I think it's 280.
I'm your host, MotoGP, with me is your host, Swiggy.
You coming to you from Moto One podcast network studios recording suite A, otherwise known
as the Tiki room.
Let's see here, we're going to do best worst bike in the world this week.
Of course, I don't know exactly what else we're going to do.
We might get a little into some, some precious motorcycle attitudes, perhaps we're definitely
going to wrap up some emails that have been lingering around for a little bit of while.
We're going to talk about our middle higher plans and yeah, and whatever else we feel
like getting to.
All right, let's jump right into it, Swigs.
Let's get best worst bike out of the way, what do you say?
Yeah, let's do it.
Okay, so this is the segment where each week, Swigs and I completely copy what Cleveland
Moto is doing and then discuss those bikes.
Which idea have you stolen from Cleveland Moto this week?
God, I don't know.
I, you just sprung this off.
I know they got a little bit but hurt.
I don't know how many weeks ago because we both have something the way in which our show
and Cleveland Moto are the most similar is that we're both, we both have just awful drop
schedules.
Sometimes like we'll have things recorded for like nearly a month before they go out, right?
Because just the editing and now the video element and everything takes so long and so, so you
know, sometimes we talk about things that are similar in the same week, even though those
things may have been recorded a month apart or you know, we actually talked about it first
but they dropped their episode first and they think we ripped them off or something.
I don't know.
They sit, I don't know.
It's weird.
But I love those guys.
It doesn't matter.
It really doesn't matter.
Like as a joke, I've said things like, oh my God, you know, Ryan F9 must be listening
to our show because they put out a video on a similar, it's a joke.
It's ridiculous.
But anyway, Swigs, you have best bike in the world this week.
I do.
Are you ready to reveal it?
I am.
Okay.
And the best bike in the world this week is the 2022 and up, fuel hammerhead 1190.
This feels like one that I did.
But we have done previous, like we have done previously, previous fully, if we didn't
do it as best bike, I know like when this bike came out, I brought it up and basically
shoved my phone in your fucking face and I was like, Swigs, this is my dream sport bike.
Like one day it will be, well actually I'm pretty confident.
I can tell you that you haven't because, oh, that's right.
We have a source.
Yeah, I will have to, I think we need to pin this on the, on the discord.
We have somebody, one of the Erics, one of the Erics has graciously gone through the
work of grabbing every single best and worst bike we have ever done and thrown it into
a spreadsheet with some analysis as well.
Yeah, so yeah, I actually did quickly search for this.
I believe early on, we did the predecessor to this bike, but I do like the, the SX 1190
or something like that.
Something like that.
Yeah.
So it was, we'll look it up.
It was because I think like when they went from, it may have been a thing where when
they changed from being EBR and then, and then EBR bought the fuel name back from Harley
Davidson to really kind of make the company intact again.
Actually, I don't think we've ever done one of these, one of the newer ones except for
the, hmm, the cruiser, what was it called?
Oh, the super cruiser.
Yeah.
And then besides that, we've done the Thunderbolts and the blast and the Lissys.
I don't think we've done this style of bike yet.
Oh.
And any kids.
I'm excited to get into it then because this bike is fucking awesome.
So this is obviously a boutique bike.
This is no longer fuel evolved.
That's just kind of premium sport bike.
No, it is fuel evolved.
It's just fuel evolved is now a company that does small batch boutique.
Right.
But it's not a mass produced motorcycle anymore.
This is, they're making like a hundred a year maybe.
And so this is now very much in the realm of something like MV Agusta.
Yes.
Actually, also similarly priced as well.
So I don't know about these in particular, but supposedly if you, you know, and this
is obviously MV Agusta style, you know, if you have to ask, you can't afford it type
thing.
I thought these were for small batch boutique American, like, like, you know, super bike.
I thought these were a little bit lower in price than I thought.
I thought they were sort of like low 30s.
I think that might actually be kind of the top end for this bike.
So looking around because they don't list the prices anymore, similar to MV Agusta.
But for the SX, which is the naked one, yeah, it's basically like 20 to 26,000 dollars.
Throw on top of that, you know, this has all carbon fiber body work.
This is a little bit.
So we're kind of talking gold wing prices.
Yeah.
Now, the thing about this is, or cheap parlies, oh, you can spend way more on a completely
unremarkable Indian bagger than you'll spend on this.
Oh, yeah.
And I'd have this every day instead.
Yeah.
But this is sort of, this is about 30 pounds lighter than a Brutale 1000.
It's all carbon fiber body work.
This does have a little less horsepower, but also has significantly more torque.
Yeah, but isn't it like 168, like horse, like it's, it's 185 horsepower.
185.
That's a good number.
And it's a hundred foot pounds of torque.
Yeah.
That is so much on a bike.
That's light.
And if you look at their website and go look through all the images and everything,
like they don't even try and show you a dash or anything.
They don't give a fuck.
This is a absolutely uncompromising sport bike.
And it's not trying to sell you on farcals or, you know, creature comforts or anything
or any sort of accessories.
This is just a true absolute go fast bike.
Oh, yeah.
If someone complained about why it doesn't have a TFT, they'd be like, well, why are you
not looking at the road or through the corner?
Yeah.
Why is the seat so uncomfortable?
You should be hanging off the side, right?
Yeah.
So this is just absolutely when you buy one of these, it's kind of like, you know, it's
kind of like buying, like an 80s or 90s Ferrari.
It's like the seat's uncomfortable.
You know what?
We didn't want to sell you the car anyway.
Yeah.
Fuck you.
Yeah.
Fuck you.
All about performance.
Now is it absolutely insane stupid performance?
Yes.
Is it far more performance than you could ever use?
Yes.
Is it something that really kind of fits, you know, as a daily rider?
Absolutely not.
No.
This is ridiculous.
But that's also kind of every leader bike that exists and they're also mass produced
and kind of unremarkable and frequently this is something special and yeah, and frequently
mistaken for super sports anyway.
But this is unmissable and unmistakable.
This stands out as obviously a super expensive high performance sport bike and nobody will
mistake your $17,000 R1 for an older R6.
Like you're not in that situation.
There's no mistaking what this is and from a distance it looks expensive and prestigious.
And is that a great value for anybody?
No.
Not really.
But if you have the means, I highly recommend it.
This is, if you're going to go big, this is how you go big.
I agree.
Yeah, it'll never, it will never be irrelevant because again, the power is so big and we're
already past the age that things were being mass produced that would rival it.
Right?
I mean, I don't know.
Yeah, I don't know how might still sell an M1.
I don't think they do though.
And there are definitely BMWs, like flavors of the S1000RR that get into this territory.
There are some bikes that are kind of in that territory.
There is, there are the buy-motors, there are, there is like the S1000RR, well the S1000RR
not really more like the HP4, it's kind of in that class and this is my, you know, this
is kind of actually a little bit lower than the HP4 in terms of class and like price.
But what this is is all America.
Exactly.
You are buying heritage with this and not bullshit heritage like this is fuel.
I know Eric doesn't work there anymore, but this is the same legal entity that was
fuel under Harley Davidson that then split off and then had to rename itself EBR, right?
And then the guys that own this right now bought EBR and then they bought the fuel named
back from Harley Davidson.
So renamed Eric Buell's company, renamed it back to fuel, that it is an unbroken chain
and I, I, I don't know this for certain, but when they announced that they were going
back into production, there was an article that said they were even hiring back some
of the EBR guys that were putting these things together.
And that was when they were like, they were, you know, operating as EBR, but they were
just kind of reassembling, they were assembling bikes from like leftover parts from, you
know, the Eric Buell days.
And so they were putting out a very limited number of bikes.
But I remember watching a video of guys that had worked with Eric Buell, like putting together
bikes.
And, but I believe in, now it's fuel again, like those guys are still there.
So there is, there are patents, there's tooling and there are actual hired people that
there's a, there's a continuous line that this is but this is way more Buell than Indian
is Indian.
Right.
This is.
And at this point, now the motor is essentially American as well.
So still the road tax, right?
Well, so I don't know if I have this 100% right, but Buell contracted road tax to make
the engine, but the engine I believe was modifications on one of their existing motors.
And then these guys actually kind of took that and then they refined it and made their
own motor design.
So I believe they, I think they changed enough and they didn't know that they now own
the motor design and they are making the motors.
They are, Buell is making the motors.
That's my understanding.
I didn't know that that, that makes the price tag even more worth it.
So yeah, and of course, because this is a Buell, you do have fuel and frame and you do
have your ZTL front brake.
Right.
You got all the Buell things.
There's still, there's oil and swing arm.
It's just, it's all the stuff that people really loved about the fire bolt is all right
in here from that era from the the XB series, yeah.
It's so nice that there's just still a wacky bike with, yeah, the oil and swing arm,
the fuel and frame, the zero torsional load brake and it says Buell on the side and it's
the same company and it fucking hauls ass, a hundred foot pounds of torque.
I mean, I mean, an H poor, at H, at H, HP four or whatever, the BMW, there's, there's
no way that's making more than like 85 foot pounds of torque, right?
I think that's kind of where all the, the, the four cylinders, all the four cylinders,
they kind of top mid 80s for torque.
Mm hmm.
And that's where the, this is a V twin.
So yeah, this is like a 1200 CC V twin and getting, that's another thing.
I love that it's 1200.
I love that it just doesn't give a fuck about like race class or anything, although there's
an argument because do Kati used to race 1200 V twins against one leader in line fours.
Yeah.
So it may still be relevant to some sort of race class or whatever, but it's really
just a special thing, but honestly, special thing is also meant to be ridden.
Yeah.
And you know, it not being a one leader as a race bike is kind of kind of going by the
wayside anyway, because a lot of the one leaders are going away anyway.
Right.
That era is kind of about to end.
So it's, it's not really going to be held against you.
But yeah, this is just, you know, and this, this is a way to flex on guys with their 1199
Patigales.
It's like, oh, that's cute.
Right.
This is, yeah.
And you've got one of, I don't know how many.
I've got one of like 200 and it's not a special edition.
I do believe also I read, I don't know if they still do this, but a year or two ago when
they were getting into production with these.
I think you could contact them and there were a lot of things you could customize on
it.
You know, like gray and mirrors and paint job and whatever.
What we're specifically looking at, this red, white, and blue, it's so cheesy, it's
fucking awesome.
Well, they have some of, I think they have some fantastic color schemes.
The yellow and gray to toe is really good.
Every new fuel looks awesome and yellow.
Yeah, and I think you, I imagine there's some amount of, you can do quite a bit with
the colors.
But yeah, let me pull up a couple ones, there's this guy, which is the yellow and gray.
The gray is not the best, but the yellow and the blue in there is so good, the bite gets
away with it.
And this is a render, but whatever.
I also think, well, these are all kind of, I mean, they are, but they're all kind of
up on their site and you can basically pick through these, these are actual options.
And I imagine they're somewhat customizable as well.
This one kind of pushes the limit on how busy a paint, this kind of clashes a little
bit, but it's kind of amazing as well.
The red, yellow and black or the yellow, the regular, oh, this is a nod back to the
early fuel days.
So it's called like the R something, something, it may have just been like R 1000, like the
first fuel race bike.
That's what this is mimicking.
And I like it.
It would be a hard toss up for me between the red, white and blue in this.
Oh, that's good.
What is that bike called?
Something, something R or R something, something, it's a real goofy looking bike, but it's,
it's cool.
I mean, I celebrate their entire catalog now.
I like the super cruiser.
I like the super adventure.
I like the hammerhead.
I even like the naked version, although it's the naked versions completely pointless.
I don't know, although Eric Buell told us himself, he was into the naked version.
That was his favorite, because he just likes to ride out there with just the air on his
chest, like pushing him back and everything.
And okay, I mean, that's for some people, but like you really don't need more than, you
know, 82 horsepower to do that.
So okay, but this is, this is something else.
You know, and I think that the, the, the, the most recent form that Buell has taken is
so poetic, because if Harley Davidson is to survive another 20 years, this is sort of
eventually what Harley Davidson has to do.
And it's so funny that someone figured out that that's the thing to do with Buell,
like way ahead of time.
And also, they went into production with these and bought the Buell name back at the height
of vapor wear bikes.
That's true.
It's cool down a lot, and a lot of people still don't believe that you can actually buy
these.
Yeah, I guess this was just happening around the same time that, like they were bringing
back rough superior and, yeah, and, um, were they trying, they were doing, and BS,
all the northern problems and all that shit.
Yeah, weren't they trying to bring back BSA is an electric bike company and, uh, BSA
was, there was initially going to be an electric bike company.
It was so vaporware, but BSA actually, the name has been bought and they're being made
by, I, I think it's a Chinese company, and they're, uh, I think only for sale in Europe,
they don't sell them in the US, and I think that they suck.
And like a lot of those things do, it's kind of like, uh, what's the other, what's the
other one that everyone thought was going to go great guns, uh, the Italian name.
Oh, you think of it, but Benelli?
Yes.
Mm-hmm.
It's kind of a Benelli situation where like there's a couple things they make that are
all right.
But it was like, oh, Benelli's back.
We're going to have like 608 hundred Benelli's and it's going to be amazing.
And isn't Benelli the same parent, don't only have the same parent company as, um, SSR.
SSR, yeah.
Right.
Yeah.
And I think they, their big claim was, well, they're Chinese bikes, but they're still
designed in, in Europe, which, uh, okay, I guess they're like four people in an office
in Italy or something, that's true of, that's true of like 90% of the Walmart catalog.
So yeah, I mean, I can just sit around and draw fucking pictures of things that look
like old Benelli's too.
It doesn't take a lot.
Whatever.
Get chat GPT to give me shit that looks vaguely like an old Benelli, like what the fuck?
Mm-hmm.
It's just a fucking name and a piece of paper, whereas this is more than just a name.
And I always forget how fucking awesome the Buologo is.
It's the best.
In an age where it's so hard to have a good motorcycle logo, right, yeah.
My, I mean, Honda's got their, their, their, the Honda power sports wing is pretty fucking
good.
The, the Harley Davidson badge and shield, like as much as it's not my jam, like it's a
thing.
It's an icon, right?
Yamaha's tuning forks sucks.
I love Yamaha, the, the tuning forks sucks, no one, like we know what it is, but most
people have no idea what the fuck they're looking at.
And the Suzuki S, it's kind of hard to give it up for, you know, it's an S, whatever.
But the Buol, the Buol horse is the shit.
Yeah.
I think besides these ones, like I kind of prefer the really shitty logos, because it kind
of, it's kind of a flex to have a really, really shitty logo instead of a boring one.
Yeah.
Um, like Moto Gootsies is pretty terrible.
Uh, MV Augustus is, I, again, it, it kind of looks like, I don't know, it looks, it
kind of looks like the start menu icon for a video game.
Yeah.
Or like an early PC game.
It's, it's, it's very strange, um, but no, yeah, the horse is, the horse is pretty good.
The horse is killer.
All right.
Um, yeah, I mean, we can just keep gushing about this thing, but I mean, again, the specs
are irrelevant.
It's just a very special hand built in America bike that exceeds your needs in every conceivable
way.
And it's a special thing.
And I hope they're around forever.
I sleep better at nights knowing that that this vision still exists, that this vision still
exists.
Exactly.
All right.
We want to move on to worst bike in the world this week.
Let's do it.
All right.
And the worst bike in the world this week is, and I know for a fact, this is the second
time that we're doing it, but I'm taking a victory lap on it.
The Great Wall Motors, like Sioux, oh, oh, something like eight-cylinder gold wig knockoff
thing.
What the fuck was it called?
I'm actually doing all Chinese motorcycles, but I'm using this as a, as our sort of, you
know, whipping boy here a little bit.
So about nine months ago, no one would shut the fuck up about this motorcycle.
And to this day, I'm unaware of anyone besides us calling out that it was clear bullshit
from the second people started talking about it.
Tell me if I'm off base, please send us an email or a text linking another podcast, news
outlet, anything clearly calling this, the calling this out for the bullshit that it
is because like no one did, right?
It's clearly a, not even current, but previous generation GL 1800 knockoff.
And here's how bullshit it is.
Not only is it still not for sale in the United States,
but there's not even like a year that they plan to start selling it in the United States.
But here's how you really know it's bullshit.
It's not even planned to go on sale in China.
Oh, yeah, you couldn't sell this in like 80% of China.
It turns out there's almost no motorcycle.
You can sell an 80% of China.
Oh, yeah, like there are huge amounts of China where you just can't have a motorcycle.
And swigs, I learned an interesting fact.
If you have a motor vehicle that does more than like 22 miles an hour or something like
that, it varies like province to province city to city.
But basically in China, motor vehicles have a 13 year lifespan.
And regardless of their condition, they have to be turned in and recycled.
So this idea that the Chinese are going to make these amazing motorcycles for us to ride
is absolute horseshit.
The Chinese can't even make a nice motorcycle for the Chinese.
It turns out that in most parts of China, it's really a colossal pain in the ass to own
anything more than an e-bike.
Yeah, so I think in most places, you're not allowed to have a motorcycle over 150 cc's.
And not only that, a lot of big cities, like Shenzhen, motorcycles are outright panned,
which is kind of insane, I don't know how that makes, but it's sort of like in all of
kind of like those like designated economic zones, they're really big on like everything
has to be perfect and look great.
And we don't want all these ratty motorcycles shitting up the neighborhoods and making
it look grungy.
So yeah, it's the number of places, the size of the bike you can have, and yeah, again,
how long you can have it are all really, really restricted.
On top of all that, this concept motorcycle that doesn't have to look the way that it
looks looks fucking goofy, right?
It doesn't look like something I would buy style wise.
It looks, it's got a little like 1980s Suzuki, like venture to it, but like, you know,
venture has hard lines.
This kind of looks like a venture that started melting, wait, the ventures of the Yamaha,
what's the Suzuki?
Or was the Suzuki the venture?
It doesn't matter.
Whatever.
One of the other Japanese beef or gold wing knockoffs, yeah, Yamaha is the star venture.
Right.
What's this is a Suzuki one?
Oh, the cruiser?
Yeah, like their big bagger, gold wing full dress, the M109 Boulevard, but that doesn't
really look good on the full dress.
Yeah, like in the 80s, late 80s, they did, oh, in the 80s, yeah, that was the Madura.
No, well, it is, but that was their V4.
Well, whatever, it doesn't matter.
It looks like a fucking, yeah, like venture, whatever that started melting.
It, like the styling's just fucking off, and it's off enough that no one would ever
buy this, even if it was going to go on sale in the US, because, right, it turns out
that, right, you can't have nice shit in China.
And they're just never going to make the kind of shit that we want to buy, but it doesn't
matter that they're not going to make the kind of shit that we're going to buy, because
they kind of are making the shit that we want to buy.
Notice how ebikes, like six years ago, like Yamaha was selling ebikes in fucking power
sports, dealerships, and bike shops for like $6,000, $7,000.
Yeah.
What is an ebike cost now, a nice one's like 900?
I mean, there's, there's still wildly variable price, there's a ridiculous spectrum, just
like there is with most bicycles.
But yeah, the ones that people are actually buying, yeah, the ones that people can actually
buy are kind of like, it's $400 to like $1,200, essentially.
And if you're getting something really, really nice, you're probably going for something
like a super 73 or some sort of like crazy cargo.
Also, you know what's a community that doesn't have range anxiety, ebikes, right?
How did that not become a problem when you're, and their range is 28 miles.
Right.
Yeah.
So, it turns out that China's been fucking busy ramping up production on micromobility
essentially, and doesn't really give a shit about motorcycles.
I know there's CFMOTO and there's some like, you know, scooter manufacturers, whatever.
I don't think most Chinese people can buy CFMOTO's either.
I know.
Right.
And on top of that, like they have a shrinking workforce and they're going to have to start
paying the workforce a lot more all sorts of, for a lot of reasons, the dream of the Chinese
replacing the Japanese is just not going to happen.
And if it does happen, it's all going to be made in Southeast Asia.
Like, it's all going to be made in Vietnam.
It's all going to be made in Taiwan.
It's all going to be made in India.
Like, it will be the Chinese owning a company and then building it in India.
But forget all that, it turns out the India is already, is already doing somewhat of the
trick that people think that the Chinese will do replacing the Japanese.
Oh, yeah.
The Royal Enfields on fucking fire, right?
Well, not only that, but pretty soon, we're going to have, we're going to have the
judge owning KTM, don't they already?
I mean, I think it's like a, it's been in the news.
I don't know, I don't know the details of how they own them, but there's some sort of
move happening.
Well, I mean, I think they, well, it's, it's a process that's going to take a while.
So it's been agreed to, but it's, it's a process that takes a while to happen.
But yeah, they, but also they were already making all of kind of the 390 motors already.
So it doesn't really matter.
But you know, well, as we said, the Royal Enfield, they're making motorcycles where the biggest
feature is the cost and they're sacrificing performance and TFT screens and blah, blah,
blah, blah, blah.
And we've been banging on about this literally for years, like only old fucking farts want
these gadgets and, and like crazy horsepower on their bikes.
Like the next generation wants super cheap.
They don't give a fuck how fucking fast it goes if they just can't even comprehend how
they're going to afford it.
Yeah.
And India understands this, this problem, but deeply understands this issue.
So, but India's still not going to replace the Japanese motorcycle in America.
It's just not like, you know, you know, the, the problem that the Chinese are about to
run into and not having their cheap labor force and whatever, Japan already had that problem
and has been working to overcome it, right?
This is why so many Hondas, it's not like they're moving factories to other countries.
They moved them a long fucking time ago.
Yeah.
Oh, yeah.
They moved them in like the 80s and 90s.
I think yeah, I think it's only a handful of, it's only like if you bought a Honda in
like the last 10, 15 years, like the odds that it was actually ever touched by Japanese
hands is low and it's getting lower.
Well, Honda's been making gold wings and valkyries in the US forever.
They've been making car, they just went back to make them in Japan in 2018.
Oh, that's true.
Yeah.
I know they moved, but they also like cut production down because they're like, well,
we're going to sell these, but not like we did in the 90s, right?
But they, I mean, they do it with their cars as well and more often now, a lot of their
bikes, yeah, getting made in like Vietnam and Thailand and the, again, the num, yeah, they've
been ex, everything that we've been complaining about like the, well, not that we've been complaining
about, but yeah, the Japanese have been kind of doing, have been kind of following along
with America and most of Europe in exporting their manufacturing and their labor to other
countries for a long time.
Right.
I think that, you know, Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki, whatever, these are all companies where
if the amount of motorcycles they're selling in the US cuts down to 25% of what it is
now, these companies are still solvent.
Like motorcycles isn't all that they do, right?
So sort of as we know motorcycles today, they will still be making them 20 years from now
and they are probably going to be a lot more expensive, you know, when they don't have
the economies of scale, when they don't have a lot of thing, you know, they're going
to be fucking expensive and who can afford them, we'll buy them.
But there's also just going to be a shit ton, you know, we said this for ages, also young
people just don't want to buy motorcycles and they don't want to buy great, big, giant
motorcycles either, but it's a hard pill to swallow.
But fucking big motorcycles are uncool to young people.
This is really hard to describe, but like riding a motorcycle is not a good look.
Like to young people, it's just not, it's something old people do.
It's something old, crusty, racist, out of touch, don't know how to use the internet
or scared of chat GPT type motherfuckers do.
Right?
It's just how it is.
And in the next 10 years, like 50% of the people that are going to middle
high this year are going to die and their motorcycles are going to be sold on
Craigslist to whoever the fuck wants them.
And for people like you and me, it's going to be a glorious time of just free
motorcycles everywhere, basically.
And, and that's great.
But younger people are just going to want smaller, cheaper,
somewhat electric, some gas, some whatever it is, things.
And I just don't see just the way that the world is set up.
The Chinese being able to come in and, and do like, I mean, maybe they could
step up their scooter, gave a little bit, but just not with motorcycles.
Not when the US is the only market.
Right, right.
You know, I just don't see it like, because the, the, like I said, for things over 300
CCs, but it's also, it's also pandering to a market segment that
is old and dying off and it has also for the last 50 years had ingrained in their minds.
Like they're targeting the, like, you know, if you, if you targeted our grandparents,
you know, they were all kind of ingrained with the idea that Japanese stuff was garbage.
And then you look at our parents and it's like, oh, Japanese means really good.
But they grew up thinking Chinese made meant garbage.
And that's the demographic that this is aimed at.
So it's a vanishing segment of the market that can actually afford these
and wants the style of bike.
And they're also just inherently anti-Chinese manufacturing.
I don't know how that works.
Yeah, let's not forget that 50% of the United States motorcycle market
is obsessed with Harley-Davidson and Harley-Davidson's in fucking trouble.
Right, yeah.
So I mean, it's probably not 50% anymore, but I know as of about seven years ago,
Harley-Davidson had something like 55% of the market for motorcycles in the U.S.
And everyone else was splitting the rest.
But I don't think, I don't know, Harley's in fucking trouble.
Their numbers have been going down and
Royal Enfields have gone up, but I don't know how many others have gone up.
You know what I would love and would actually get me to buy one of these just because
well, you can't buy one, they don't make them.
It's not a real motorcycle.
Well, I'm just now thinking about kind of like,
did they actually do the R&D and build this eight-cylinder motor?
Or is this like a boxer or like are only four of those cylinders real?
Because they technically don't actually have to build the whole thing
if they're going, if they're not going to sell it.
Oh, I think that's an empty casing.
I think this is like that rough superior we were looking at a few weeks back.
I think if you unbolted that valve cover, there's a note in there that just as fuck you.
But yeah.
Well, there is a picture of one like riding around in camouflage,
um, livery of like the, uh, like the, the one that like breaks up the, uh, the outline,
which I think they only did because that's what American car companies do when they're releasing
any model. Let me see if I can find it.
Yeah, it's, people like to feel really smart, like getting a hold and sharing that picture.
Like at this point, I think Ford sends pictures of the, every new Mustang
in the, the weird camouflage to car magazines.
It's so performative.
It's dumb as shit.
I, uh,
whatever.
Yeah, I'm gonna see if I can find another Ticate.
Um, so it's, it's not just me doing a victory lap on saying that this motorcycle was and is
complete horseshit and they're never gonna make it and no one else like being that confident
as early as we were.
It's also something like this pops up every few months from China.
And so my question is because I don't want to just completely like dilute myself
sentence and impossibility that China is gonna, you know, be able to somehow cobble
shit together and make hay while the sun is shining and somehow take over this American
motorcycle market, which is disappearing before our eyes and, you know, will make absolutely
no sense to get into a decade from now when the market is flooded with a bunch of fucking Polaris
Indians and BMWs and KTMs and gold wings and Harley Davidson's that all have 8,000 miles on them
because dudes bought them in, you know, 2019 and put 600 miles a year on them and then
died in 2031, right?
Uh, why the insistence every few months to put one of the regular motorcycles on the market?
Is it just in case because you don't actually have to produce profit anymore?
Is it so at any random moment if a weird investor comes in, they've got something to like
springboard immediately and have concepts to start attracting investors and they can maybe try to
like play a game where they can pretend they're gonna build motorcycles for three or four years
and someone just gets to walk away and like dump the stock at the last second.
Is that it?
Possibly.
I do want to show you this real quick because this is hilarious because I did find the camouflage
pictures and it's in a cycle world article and of course it is.
What's great is that they've got this guy on the bike but if you look at these shots,
if you look at this one and then compare it to this one and then you compare it to
this one, this bike is not in motion, this is not a running bike.
Like that is clearly the guy with his foot on the ground and they've just brushed his foot out
you're right, this is not a running motorcycle.
They've kind of staged it to look like it's moving but it's not.
Yeah, so yeah, the motor may not actually exist.
When was this?
It is November 2024.
Yeah, you can tell where the way he's sitting right there, he's definitely got a foot on the ground.
I think he's got his like way out so it doesn't peek out under the bottom.
No, I think.
No, the shadow even looks weird.
I think they've just fucking photoshopped his foot out.
This possible.
Yeah, okay, yeah, I don't think there's a motor.
There's a very good chance there isn't even a motor.
Yeah, I think these things just fucking exist.
So, you know, someone, maybe Elon Musk wakes up one morning and he, you know,
overdone the ketamine cocktail the day before and he's like, you know, he thinks he's the first
person to go, China's going to be the new Honda.
I should invest and they've just got, well, we've got this thing you can invest in right now.
And they're like, don't tell him it's not real.
Because what is it cost to put something like this together, right?
The, probably not a lot.
I mean, a lot, but if it doesn't have to run, right?
Like, I'll get an old shitty fucking Suzuki Boulevard and paper mache some shit
and what, you know, pull parts off it, whatever.
I can make this picture happen in a weekend.
Well, it's probably a little bit more work than that.
But some one off plastic, so whatever, I think this is like a weird, like,
fishing scheme, not fishing in the sense of like, you know, mass email scams.
But like, I think this is a scheme where, oh, the time lapse GoPro is gone, whatever, it's fine.
So anyway, yeah, Chinese motorcycles, they're the worst.
It's basically somewhere in between a scam, a pipe dream, and shit you don't want.
I have to say that there are a few Chinese-made scooters that are known to be like pretty good.
Like, they are not incapable of making good shit.
Right? There's nothing about like being a Chinese person that makes you infucking capable
of like working correctly on a line. It's all about the management of those people and the
materials they're given and the specs of what they're building and what the expectation of that
product is, right? Which for the Japanese is always set tremendously high, which is why you can
buy a Honda and even though it was made somewhere like Vietnam, which traditionally you wouldn't
trust goods from, you still have crazy amounts of trust in it. Oh, yeah, because Honda's not going
to let, like, is not going to let that factory put out garbage. Right. They're just not going to let it
happen. Right. Their QA is off the fucking charts. It doesn't matter. Like Honda, like
in the 70s and 80s, Americans were known to be cranking out some really shitty quality cars.
But at that time, Honda was producing cars and motorcycles of the highest fucking quality in America.
Right. Same American dudes. Right. Working at Harley Davidson or GM or Honda. Right. What's the
difference? Their fucking manager was the difference. Right. Yeah. So there's a problem in philosophy
with the Chinese manufacturing, but it doesn't have to be. They obviously, the fucking iPhones and
like loads of great scooters. But for some reason, it's not matching up in what the public actually
wants. But on top of that, they're facing a labor problem, a cost problem, and the fucking market
that they want to sell to is disappearing. It's going to be flooded with super cheap secondhand
bike market coming pretty soon. And a number of other factors, it's just never going to happen.
And even if it did, like, how do we know what's fucking real anymore?
Thank you for coming to my TED Talk. All right. So let's get to some emails.
All right. I have done basically no preparation for this. I think I know where the first
email starts. So we're just going to wing it. That's what we do every time, Swigs. That's not true.
It's pretty true. I planned ahead like five or six times.
Well, while you look up the first email, I'll make some announcements. We have on the Discord,
which is linked in every episode now. We now have a channel on the Discord for the UEOS,
which I was going to make myself until I realized that you are actually the owner of the
Discord. So you finally got on it for us. I am the keymaster. You are the keymaster. And then
we also have what was the other thing that was related to the Discord? There was something
else related to the Discord that I wanted to say. And I've completely spaced it.
Whatever. It doesn't matter. Oh, no, it wasn't really. So people were asking for
no, you'll get to that in the emails. Well, shit. I don't know. Give me a fucking email, Swigs.
I'm floundering. I need. Okay. So John said he appreciates that we validated his VFR 800
purchase. There was a couple a few weeks ago. What do we have? When were we talking about the VFR?
I was talking about three weeks ago. Was it a best or worse bike?
I think the best bike was, oh, this was when we were talking about, I think this is shortly
after we talked about the VFR 1200, but we were talking about, you know, I can't remember.
It must have been when we were talking about the 1200 F. It must have been.
Okay. Let's see. There were a lot of texts that people sent in or they made this may have been
something on the Discord. It was one of the two. I think it was on the, it might have been on the
Discord. No, it's on the Patreon. People sent Patreon messages. I think, I think it was a
shit is coming in and so many different channels now. I can't keep shit straight, but people
were at, did confirm that they want driveway videos of the bikes. They want garage mahal videos
and more than one person contacted me asking for teaky drink, mixing demonstrations.
All of which we will be doing, we need to find the gimbal for some of this shit. I'm not just
going to walk around holding a fucking GoPro that I would just feel dumb, but also it would look
terrible. But Mike has one, so I refused to go buy one. Oh, well speaking of Mike, we do have a
a mic who has got his, who submitted his, while back he submitted his two pages for the
Tom of Knowledge and is buying a scooter off of, off of Phil and picking it up at AMA Vintage Days.
Oh, that's right. That's right. That's right. That's right. Because he, yes, because I think
the other day I was listening to an episode where they read an email from him where he was asking
if he could like, like borrow a scooter from them or something, and then I don't know, again,
like they're like so far back. I don't know how they're fucking like where they are chronologically,
like in time or wherever with their episodes versus like time now. Yes, yes, he's about a
a Simba. That's right. He mentioned that on the Discord, I believe, and I was like a Simba
nice. I have laid hands on one on a Simba in real life, but never actually fired it up in
anger, but I have written plenty of C70s and trails 70s or trail 90s. I think it was a grumpy
sewer guy has a Simba and says he actually prefers it to his legit Honda passport.
Really? I don't know why, but I also see no reason why not. So yeah, for me, it's even cooler
than having a passport because it's the weird off brand passport.
All right. Any other emails we got here?
It must be shit. We got a lot of short ones. We said we got one from Joseph who says in regards to
the Honda Rebel 1000. Yes, it has power. He's a maintenance durability, but what it is not
cool. It does not make you look and feel cool. Nobody would turn their head and give you a second
look. You could pick up a nugly check on that. You couldn't pick up a nugly check on that thing.
I don't care. Give me an old, uh, oil leaking, loud, Harley Davidson.
And I think, again, I want to know Joseph's age because
there are plenty of people that do think it's cool, but they are new to motorcycles.
This was my whole point with the Rebel or our whole point with the Rebel 1100.
That's true. For those of us that are in the know, have been around motorcycles for a while,
sure. There's a bunch of things that make more sense. There's a bunch of things that tickle
our special itch, but for someone who's buying their first bike or at least their first bike that
has more than 30 horsepower, it takes a lot of boxes for people. And they don't expect, like,
what cool is to them in a motorcycle is very different than what we think it is.
It's true. Yeah. And I think, I think there's also a segment of the market that a lot of people
are forgetting about who buy a lot of these kinds of bikes, who are probably going to be the
big market for bikes like the NT 1100 or the kind of people who would buy, like the Yamaha
Tracer 900 or a lot of those kinds of bikes are people who don't have a lot of preconceptions
about what is cool, what's super cool, what's niche, you know, and also kind of want some,
they're not super price sensitive, but they do want, they don't need to spend $30,000 on a bike,
but what they really don't want is they don't want to buy something that has any problems. They want
something turnkey reliable with a warranty. Yeah. Because this occurs to me with the Rebel 1100,
there was no way that Honda could lose in creating it, because it would either be a hit and people
would buy it. Surprise, they have been, if you, if we walk into our local Honda Power Sports dealer,
there'll be two Rebel 300s, three Rebel 500s, one Gold Wing, one XR 150, you know, one ADV 160,
and about nine Rebel 1100s. I wonder if there's like, is there like, you know, kind of in the same
way that there's like a maple syrup cartel, where there's just like warehouses in Canada,
that are just full of like 50 gallon barrels of maple syrup, and they just kind of sit there
waiting for like the price of syrup to go up before they send them all out. Like, I don't know,
is there like, is there like a fact, is there like a warehouse that just has like thousands and
thousands of bikes with 1100 motors in them, and then like at the end of the fiscal quarter,
they say like, all right guys, Rebels are out, we need NT 1100s, and there's a bunch of guy,
there's like 10 or 15 guys whose sole job is to like rip motors out of Rebel 1100 frames,
and put them in NT frames, or into Africa twin frames, or like flip it, flip it around.
No, no, they're just making them, but the, but as I was saying, it's either was a hit,
or if it wasn't a hit, again, Honda is a company that's so big, they can afford to have these
misses, right? It's kind of like these angel investors, right? And they're like, I'm going to
invest in 100 companies, and only two of them are going to take off, but those two are going to
be billion dollar companies, right? I'm going to give like a hundred companies a million dollars,
but it doesn't matter, because I'm going to make two billion dollars off of two of them, right?
Honda can kind of play that game, and if the Rebel 1100 turned out to not be a big seller,
then in a few years, we would be, you know, the, we'd be talking, okay, Honda Rebels,
the 300, the 500, but kind of like the big Ruckus, we'd be like, do you remember when they made
a Rebel 1100, and everyone would go, yeah, that's so weird to have a Rebel that's got like big power
and big displacement. People would be, people would be like searching them out, it'd be a weird
fetishy thing to have one, right? It's kind of only uncool because it's successful,
that there was kind of no way for Honda to lose on this one. It would be just another one of their
weird bikes, like the D&O Warner or the Honda CTX or any number of bikes that they've
tried to get the public to bite on, but they were sort of like, no.
Well, yeah, I guess so because like, yeah, it's uncool because it's popular,
but then if it was never popular, then it would kind of become niche and cool, right?
Yeah, and then they're like, well, we made like 50,000 of them and we'll just sell them over the
next six years instead of getting to sell all of them. And that's 60,000 every year or whatever.
So there you go. Yeah, imagine if they'd only sold them for one or two years,
and then it just disappeared. You'd be like, that was kind of a cool bike. Yeah.
Yeah, like the big ruckus, super hard to find now when people kind of want silly money for what
they are. I mean, it's really just a Honda reflex, but somehow way cooler. All right, what other
emails we got? So that's just about it. The last one we got, I do want to just call this ad
again. I know there are more texts. I got to look up the text. You'll have to, well,
there were a bunch or texts. Yeah, I don't know if I got a bunch of texts. I don't think it did.
Let's look at the fan mail here. Oh, there was a fan mail that we have to respond to. We have
a corrections and emissions that we need to get to. Oh, really? Well, okay, here's a good text.
Need your guys advice? Thinking about getting a 70s Kawasaki KZ400. Am I crazy in asking for headaches?
It's an, it's an nostalgia thing. My dad had a 75 and it's my first memory of a motorcycle.
Thanks, fellas. And this is from Covington, Louisiana. It's the same guy that asked us if we could
talk about the motorcycle break in periods. So yes, you're crazy. But you're going to have to do
it anyway, because in my experience, when you get these itches, you have to actually go through the
heartache of buying it and dealing with it in order to get rid of this itch. It will not go away
on its own. You could take $30,000 down to whatever dealer you want and buy whatever brand new
bike that seems to be the perfect dream machine for you. But it's somehow not going to get rid of
this KZ400 itch that you have. In my experience, that's how it works. You just have to get
really dumb and buy the bike. And there's just no way around it. You know, over time, you'll learn
to push these feelings deep down or never acknowledge them to begin with. But you know,
one out of 10 times it works out well. You know, if it's not impossible, you might find a really
nice one. I mean, you're probably going to find a shitty one that you're going to have to do a lot
of work too. Yeah, ultimately, I mean, for any KZ, you're going to be able to find a ton of resources
on how to fix every every model of KZ. You'll be able to find a resource on how to fix every single
part and find a forum where you can post a picture and say, what the fuck is the part number for
this? I need a new one. And somebody can just go link you directly to it. Yeah. And you'll be able
to find all the knowledge, how to set everything up, how to tune everything, how to fix everything.
But you're also going to find that the people who love these bikes and work on them have an
incredible amount of tolerance and patience for what a pain in the ass it is to keep these bikes
alive that were not meant to survive. And you're just going to have to find out what is your
tolerance and does it align or not? Now, if he was looking for a KX 400, I would support this a
lot more. Like, yes, you should get a 402 stroke. Oh, wait, actually, I think I did see that one.
Did he not say KX? He says KZ said KZ. Okay. Because the KX 400 is
that is a dumb bike. It's awesome. Yeah. Anyway, um, yeah. Yeah. Uh, okay. So we got
another one. Yeah, the only, the only advice I would say is just don't pay too much for it. Like,
okay, don't think it's going to complete your life and think that it's worth like $2,000. So
here's a pay basement prices for him if it's not running. Here's a text from Halifax Nova Scotia,
one of my favorite places. Um, hey guys, just to let you know, the main purpose of a slipper clutch
is to stop the rear wheel from hopping or dragging under deceleration and downshifting
Scott from Nova Scotia. Scott, you are correct. And we were wrong. I don't know why,
but I have had this, um, horrific disability where every time I hear slipper clutch,
I just think about a quick shifter. And there's a big difference between the two. And we were
completely wrong. Um, so I did a bit of a dive on slipper clutches and how they work and
all that sort of stuff. And he is correct. So now it turns out often that slipper clutches
have a quick shift mechanism built into them as well. But a lot of it turns out, um, and I'll admit,
this was not what was in my head at the time, but it turns out a lot of the points that we made
about a quick shifter does apply to slipper clutches as well. It's not a super complicated thing.
And if you design the bike with it, it costs almost nothing. But to go in and put in a slipper clutch
after market is like $1,500. So it turns out that when a bike does come with a slipper clutch,
um, that really is only is only useful on the track. And what that means is that that company that's
building it is taking it seriously as a competitive race bike. So in the case of the, wait, you,
so you were mentioning, we were talking about the Suzuki 8R. And you were like, oh, it's got a lot
of premium stuff like the slipper clutch, whatever. And I was like, hold on. This doesn't cost a lot
of money. This shouldn't be like a big feature, whatever. And I just had quick shifter in my head
because slipper clutch and quick shift have kind of been the same thing in my head for a long time
because I just don't really live in this track world. And the slipper clutch is basically a
you downshift. And when enough force is put on the clutch, it does give a little bit. And so
if you're relying on both your disc brakes and deceleration from downshifting, right, you can
make your rear wheel lock up or drag or whatever, right? So this will stop the wheel from unsett,
the rear wheel unsettling the bike on hard deceleration. And it's, oh, it's very, so you kind of have,
yeah, so wait, hang on, so I have to think about this now. So, okay, I see what you mean, yeah.
And it's not a complicated thing, but there's zero reason that this is like, you know,
necessary on just a street motorcycle. But it is useful when you're racing.
And if you want your bike to be successful in racing, it's smart to do things like include a
slipper clutch because it costs people so much money to get a slipper because a company has to go
in and get a clutch. It's an aftermarket has to design it for the thing, whatever. And it
call of a sudden it's $1,500. Well, it's this thing that costs the OEM almost nothing to make the
bike come with. Well, yeah, the, if yeah, I think the point is more that it doesn't cost that much
more money. It costs a lot of money to design a clutch for a bike. But the difference between
designing a clutch for a non-slipper clutch and a slipper clutch is actually pretty minimal.
Right. But if you make a bike with a non-slipper clutch, then for an aftermarket company to come
along and then manufacture a whole thing gets stupid. A whole new clutch to replace that now of a
sudden you're talking tons of money. Right. And that's $1,500 that these people who are racing your
motorcycle could spend in other areas. I wonder if that you're making your bike more competitive by
having it in two ways. One, it already has it. It's less worth the have to do, but it's money they
save on their race bike bill. I need to follow. So only a bike that comes with a slipper clutch is
kind of a serious race bike because all of a sudden you know that the manufacturer had racing in
mind. I haven't been following it, but I do wonder next year are we going to see Suzuki 8Rs
in the twins cup in AMA next year? Is it that sort of class that they're aiming for?
In which case it's a no-brainer. Yeah. I would think so. But anyway. So again, that's
but I again, I'm going to just flat out admit when we were talking about slipper clutches, I just had
quick shifter in my head and I was completely wrong. So there we go. Thank you, Scott from Halifax.
Thanks, bye. All right. I think that there's a couple other texts, but we may have already
covered. Oh, let's see here. Someone had their take on the Xeno from our last made-up motorcycle.
Which bike was the Xeno again? I know it was the name I suggested. But what was that one? I think
we decided it was Mike's recumbent motorcycle. Oh, right. Yeah. With like a 49cc motor on it and like
a .6 gallon tank or something. They said a 450cc thumper, hardtail, cafe racer with essentially
a skateboard for a seat, but with an optional upgrade seat cushion that you can velcro down
with like a half inch of foam for a ridiculous price to make that upgrade have very low value.
So basically every bike from bike XF is what he's talking about.
I mean, that is a bare bones idea. Yeah. I can't say that wouldn't make a bad Xeno, but
okay. And then there was another one about the. Oh, Lewis Town, Pennsylvania, which is what's
this face? He's been on the show. Oh, my gosh. Why can't I remember his name all of a sudden? He's been
on the show. He's been on but all of the small stupid rides. Oh, my gosh. I'm so sorry. I'm
forgetting your name right now. It's been a really long day for me. Anyway, he says that we need a
merch shop. He's got a spot on his saddlebags without a sticker right beside his Cleveland Motor
Sticker. We'll get to that at some point, but I'm just trying to get all these videos to work
for right now. That's number one. And then second, I have to upgrade our camera positions.
We're experimenting with different camera angles and we need some much better lighting.
Yeah, I mean, I'm sure we've got maybe like 50 stickers somewhere.
There still have. I have about 20 stickers somewhere, but they're the ones that are a little too dark.
Wait, no, no, that's not true. The ones that are too dark, I got rid of. I still have this about
20 of the stickers Brolin sent us. That's the ones I have. Yeah, maybe we need to do stickers again,
but we at least need some stickers. Yeah, all right. Yeah, well, we should get on that and that's
a good way to segue into middle high. I think so. So we've only mentioned this on the Patreon
portion of the show, but we're going to go to middle high, which I don't know, depending on how
things been heating up with Cleveland Moto calling us out. Maybe that's not a great idea, but
you know what? I think if we show up and there's a fist fight, even better, right?
No, I love the guy. It's I am under the impression. It's all in good fun, but we'll see.
So yeah, we're going to go to middle high. I am really going back and forth on a couple things,
here's Swigs. I have got some things that I want to sell and also with our plans to do a full
Tiki bar at middle high. Well, we're not going to do that in my truck. I don't think. Well,
so I've gone back and forth with Phil about this. Apparently, there is a stash of pallets at
middle high all ready. So we really only need to bring a drill hammer and nails and maybe a saw.
And we can build the Tiki bar of our dreams. I am not hammering a Tiki bar together. I will go
spend $40 on on self-starting deck screws and we can do it all with the drill. Like I'm not
hammering shit together. You're right. The self-starting deck screws is the way to go. You're
right. That's what we need to buy like the smallest size. Yeah, self-starting deck screws. That's
what we need to do with the with the with the torx head. Yeah, that's what we need to do. Yeah,
and then we can well, but you need, but I'll put the bar together, but I think I need to bring the
gyro again because it's kind of the best thing for going to get ice. That's going to cost us like
two miles per gallon. Actually, I don't know if it'll, well, that's a question. Was it fit in the
bit of the ranger? We've moved in the ranger before. And if remember, we could not get it into the
box trailer because it was too tall. It's going to have to go on the left side to counter the
camber of the road so that we don't have to hold the steering wheel to one side too much. Well,
the it has a slope to it. I don't think it's going to be that bad wind wise. The question is because
it's so wide is will your scooter fit next to it? I think so. Okay, because then the other question is,
is if it is just too big, do we just say, fuck it? Because I need to sell like his bike. Like,
it's just too small for her anymore, right? And I can put it on Craigslist here locally,
but I thought, uh, middle high is a pretty good place to sell it. You know, I bought it for 1200
bucks. I bet I can unload it for like seven or eight hundred at mid Ohio for, you know, a good
running XR 70, right? I don't see any reason that's a problem. Uh, so if we brought the Beaver
tail trailer, that'll cost us more than two miles per gallon. It will. So we got to think about
what we're bringing carefully here. That's fine. But if I brought the Beaver tail, we could also put
the Vespa on there and the XR 70 and our two other scooters. And then I could enter the Vespa in
the, it turns out the only class of hair scramble that, well, no, there's two things that technically
the Vespa P125 79 qualifies for in the races. One of them is like the 1994 and older like one,
like 120 or something like 125 to 250 class dirt bikes,
motocross, or there's a similar class for the hair scramble. But it's basically up against like
1990s, like 200 plus CC two strokes. It is because it's from this weird era. It is hilariously
outclass. If it was older, then I could stand a chance of just only coming in last. But
anything that I put it in, I'm just going to get laughed multiple times. I will, but winnings not
the points. I will tell you right now, if you do enter this race, I will be too hungover
to come watch you. So yeah, it's, I don't know, I've got to, I've got to really think about whether
or not. And here's the thing too, I've done the research. Well, so Scooter Dan is found for me
two fucked up cows for the, for the sides of it too. So if I lay it over on its side and crash it,
I'm not going to fuck it up, right? I've got two already fucked up side panels to put on it.
But I don't know, I got to think, we got to think about this. Is it just the gyro and the
italget or do we do the trailer and bring stuff to sell and or race? Well, if we're taking the italget,
I mean, I'm confident in the italget, but it'd be nice to have a backup. It might be nice to have
a backup, yeah. Well, I mean, I could just take a spot that we were going to put a bike on and
just bring a shit ton of parts because I do have an entire italget worth of spare parts. Well,
for three bikes, we do not necessarily need a the trailer because ditch has just bought a rear
carrier that will go into the trailer hitch receiver. Okay, I mean, we do have to make some
compromises then because we need to like, well, we just can't bring any hard-sided cooler. So we
just got, we got to do the Walmart cooler bag situation. Yes. But I think if we're bringing like
enough hard liquor to sink a fucking battleship in like rums and syrups and shit, I'm sure when
we get there, we'll just be like, all right, we need two coolers. One for just like the endless
like constant trips that we'll be making to get, um, natter days and another for ice.
Like that's for nothing but ice. Like we're going to wash this cooler out and then put a trash
bag in it and then fill it with ice and we're going to be making fucking shaken cocktails with that
ice all evening. You know, so it'll be a sort of like no teaky drinks till the sun starts going down
because otherwise the ice just isn't going to last, right? But we'll have to have a dedicated,
I'm sure we'll find someone who's like, okay, here take this cooler for the evening.
I think we can just spend like $50 at Walmart and get like 50 gallons of storage of just soft
cooler bags that don't have to survive the weekend, that we can just fill every day with ice.
Like we can, we can make this happen. We'll make it happen. Okay. Yeah. I think we'll just do it.
We can do trips to the truck. And then I came up with a genius idea. I don't know. Well,
I know why we haven't thought about this in past years at Mid Ohio. So I said to fill, I was like,
you know, if anyone, you know, can bring, you know, various things, that's all great. You know,
I've got loads of cream of coconut. I've got loads of things, but I was like mint.
We need to gather up all the mint we can fucking find. That is true. That is a time and distance
sensitive thing because fucking Lexington is not going to have a surplus of mint. But
what Phil said, he's got a big bush of it growing next to his garage. And that made me think
we need to buy a mint plant at like, you know, like a fucking ace garden center somewhere on
the way. Well, actually, when you just plant it in Kentucky corner, when we get there. Oh,
for it next year. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. That's a good idea. Actually, what you need to be doing
is you need to do, you need to make the syrup and you need to start doing some experiments.
I don't know how well does the syrup because the syrup is probably outside the mint is like the
next thing that like we need a stalk of because that's, I mean, we got to bring rum. I already
got more Demarara sugar. So what we're, so my thing is is that they say to always add like a little
bit of just straight like white rum to these syrups to make them a little bit more shelf stable.
I tend to add a little bit more than that. So they're even just like slightly boozy. And then they
last a lot longer, right? Cause it like, you remember the last time I made Orja,
I made like a leader of it. And it's still, I mean, I've been keeping in the fridge and
ship. But that was like what six weeks ago, it still hasn't gone off. We are going to have to make
trip. We have we. Okay. Yeah. So I'm not worried about the syrups because I just add, I just,
well, first of all, I'm only going to make them like a few days before we go. Just a quick note.
We are now it's an hour and a half. Oh shit. Okay. Um,
well, let's let's circle back to this then, but just let everybody know that we're going. So if
you're going, we have got two tickets at a camping spot currently, but I have applied for our media
passes. So we may have extra tickets coming. So if anybody is interested in meeting us there,
camping with us there, whatever, you're like, you know, I was going to go, but I don't know if I
can spend this much on camping and whatever, whatever, whatever, and a free ticket is what's
going to push you over the edge to go. Get ahold of us because we are probably going to have two
extra tickets first come first serve from the listeners on getting them. All right. And of course,
I know Phil and Johnny Mac are listening. You can count on us to add our camping spot to extend
the fever camp as is custom when we show up. All right. Um, let's give people at least like 10,
15 minutes of a taste of this sort of like precious motorcycle attitudes here. Then we'll do the rest
on whatever. I've been thinking about this, right? So, uh, the, the, the T T's been going on,
right? Has it finished yet? I think so. I think I haven't been following it this year.
I reached a point like, I know this is such a typical Moto GP fucking thing, but like, I kind of
stopped getting my dick hard for the T T a few years ago. Don't get me wrong. It's, it's great.
There's, there, I, I cannot say bad things about the T T, but it's not the B all an end all for me.
Right? I, you know, it is a little flawed for me in that, you know, there's a lot of people
that would just destroy these racers. If what they were doing wasn't so fucking dangerous.
Yeah. I'm going to disagree with you here, but well, only in that, the T T is very special to me,
but it's, for me, the T T is, it's a very, we say the T T there are many T T races. It's a whole
fucking circuit of racing. But I love man is, I love man. I mean, just talking about, you know, T T racing
in general and, you know, in particular, Irish road racing. Yeah. There is, I mean, ultimately,
yes, you have to recognize that like, no, these are not the best riders in the world. These guys
actually make terrible money. And in a way, given the level of risk they're taking on, it's
kind of all, it makes no sense. It's on like the moral level of like,
like Roman gladiator fights in terms of like the absolute, like the risk to reward ratio.
Right. That like these people are being put through for horrendously low pay. Right.
But it is kind of, there is something special about it in that, well, specifically kind of because
of that, because these are guys who couldn't become world class racing professional riders. And
they said, I have to do it anyway. And so they got into road racing. I disagree with none of this.
You're, you're correct. There's something very special about this and that people do it.
But what I'm kind of fucking over is these dudes that pretend basically to go,
oh, actually, I think some of them believe it. I believe that, that some percentage of them
in their heart of hearts for like 11 days every year. Go on and on and on about how awesome the
Isle of Man TT races are. And then they just don't give a shit about the rest of the year of the
TT racing. And they go on and on and on and on about the history and the heritage and the this
and the that. And they've never been. They're not related to anyone that's ever been. They're never
gonna go. And I don't even care if they do or don't go, right? Like going to Isle of Man doesn't
sound like a great time for me. I don't want to like live in poverty conditions. You know, for
fucking like like elite rich like Dubai prices with just the worst bathrooms, the worst everything,
blah, blah, blah, blah, just to sit on a corner while it's raining waiting for it to stop racing.
So someone can come by. You know, races can come by. I see them. And then I've got to like share
a radio with four other people to figure out what the fuck is actually going on. No, I'll
sit at home and watch it thinks. You know, but these people that, you know, because every year,
someone suggests, well, they're thinking about shutting it down. And these people lose their
fucking minds. And they go to the forums and talk about how special it is and whatever. And
they have nothing to fucking do with it. As you said, it's dangerous for almost no reward. And
it's almost like disrespectful. The amount they pretend to care about this and then don't give a
fuck about it for the rest of the year or the rest of the season. It's fucking weird. And they're
being precious. And I'm over it. Well, I mean, so this is something, I mean, I don't, I mean,
in some circles, this happens in some social circles, this happens in the US. In England,
this is really, really fucking bad. There's a trend in England where there is like the thing to
talk about at the time. Right. In the Midwest, you know, you can always just talk about the weather.
And the weather is interesting for a lot of people because it does actually affect their livelihood.
But in the UK, there's, there's always the thing to talk about. And it is on this, this sort of
like routine of like, oh, this is like what we're going to talk about for the next two weeks.
None of us have any sort of informed opinion on this topic. And then we're going to switch something
completely different the next way. Yeah, it's weird. And all of a sudden, people have strong
opinions on the Oxford Cambridge, like rowing race. The arc, yeah, like the rowing races or
or the ashes or whatever, whatever tennis grand slam is going on. Or it'll be something really dumb.
Like, what's the bullshit university quiz series that's on like BBC two. Oh, I can't
remember. But there's always like, and you'll get into a, like some people will just like start
talking about it around you at work or some social setting. And like, because most people just
watch the BBC, like, it's sort of like the, it's sort of like the area, aerial square for Vincent
Black shadow, you know, BSA, like that conversation. It's like note for note. It's that sort of
conversation on a different topic, just like every two weeks repeated ad nauseam. And talk about
the, you know, the, the Isle of Man, it kind of follows that. The biggest one is Eurovision.
I'm on board with that one.
I've never been on board with Eurovision. Anyway, every, no, the great thing about Eurovision is
everybody knows how fucking stupid Eurovision is. I didn't know, this is weird, but I didn't know
until like a couple years ago that Eurovision, like everyone had completely like given up on
its original mission. And it's now just like a celebration of European gay culture.
Kind of, yeah. Yeah. I mean, I knew it was kind of unofficially that for a long time,
but that's like more or less like openly what it's about now. But anyway, so yeah, anyway,
yeah, just people like posturing that some sort of motorcycle history thing is the be all
and end all of their world. But they don't give a shit for the other 50 weeks of the year.
It's, it's, I don't know, I find it odd, very, very odd. But the other one, the, the, the next big one,
and then we'll, then we'll do the rest of these in the, the Patreon stuff is the Harley-Davidson
dudes and their patches. Harley-Davidson patch it like, like vest-biker patches have become
fucking precious as fuck. I mean, we do the toy run every year. And, you know, like I never thought
that much about until we started bringing Claire and Claire is like, are you reading what's on
all these people's vests? And I'm like, no. And, and then we started paying some more attention.
I was like, this is some ridiculous shit. Oh, this is like 90s edge on a bunch of fucking
dentists. Well, and some of them good old boys, but yeah, but then like the fucking thing is that
so last summer we went to that fucking four corners rally. And all the vendors that were there
were selling chaps, vests, and patches, and like nothing else. Right. And it was like, oh,
here, like, let me just like, they were selling some really awesome graphic teas.
Well, well, when I say awesome, let's say memorable, I don't know about awesome, but um,
so I'm gonna have to take that's mid Ohio. Yeah, you should. Well, it actually makes me think too.
I was thinking about like, because I've got a few leftover iron ons from when we were making the
like shield banners. I want to make some like mid Ohio offensive t-shirts.
You know, say, yeah, shit that says like, well, like, you know, like the Isle of Man is overrated.
I just wear that around mid Ohio. Or is this kind of like a VR 46 is a pussy?
You know, um, or, um, what's this face? Um, 69. Oh, Nikki Hayden. Yeah, Nikki Hayden died.
Get over it. Oh my god.
Just shit to really piss off old dudes in mid Ohio.
That's sort of on the level of like the, um, when top gear was like going through the Bible
belt and they had like NASCAR sucks and man love is okay on the sides of their car.
This is like, yeah, or a legit good one would be like Polaris Indian is legacy fraud.
But that would still upset some people.
I think it's better if they're just like completely like absolutely opinions we don't hold.
Just, you know, Rossi was a pussy.
Anyway, back to what I say about early patches.
Um, yeah, if anyone's got a great idea for a t-shirt offensive to old crusty,
non-Harley motorcycle guys, let me know.
So yeah, it like how hang on, hang on, no, I think I got something's coming to you.
Okay. Yeah, it's, it's going to have to be, um, it needs to be one of my, why my, uh,
I'm trying to think of like what the actual insult has to be, but it has to be something
that along the lines of like Hodaka's trash. It needs to be something like that.
We can workshop this. Yeah, but something anti-Hodaka would be pretty good.
Someone will take it real hard. Yeah. Okay.
Also, they may just be confused like, why does this exist? Yeah, like,
I've never encountered this before. Um, right. So, um,
um, uh, right. So Harley do's in their patches, the, the number, like, like I said,
it was, the people, these vendors selling these patches, it's like, let me just walk you into
this little booth so you can find your little like cookie cutter personality and you can choose
from like, you know, your 12 options, right? Do you want to focus mostly on gun rights?
Or also, like, you know, like put, like you want to 20% racist and 80% gun rights. Do you want to have,
I mean, Eagles are always in style, right? Like, you know, I feel like you, you'd, like,
look at these patches and there'd be like some like, you know, 68-year-old woman, you know,
would be like, I think you should take this one about how we should still be able to smoke in
restaurants, right? Do you want, do you want the woman offended by you or just, or actively
resisting? Right. Yeah. And, and I think to myself, like, these patches are so fucking precious,
because like, as you said, it's a bunch of like dentists or whatever, but it's also just like
good old boys, but like, they put on their, their vest and it makes them feel so bad ass because
they're like, can't wait till the lips get a load of what I'm wearing, right? And it's like,
how many patches do we see at the fucking Christmas toy run that insinuate that this person will
shoot you with a gun over very little? Right. And they don't really fucking mean it. You know,
the, yeah, my favorites legalize the Constitution. What does that mean? What does that mean?
Yeah. All right. That's our 15 minutes. That's our 50. Okay. All right. Let's do an outro to make
my editing life easier and we'll finish this in, in what you'll call it, holy shit, in Patreon.
My fucking phone. Here we go. Back to the thing. All right.
Here we go.
All right. So yeah, the Harley Davidson standoffish fucking attitude is precious as fuck. It is
so performative. I just can't take it any fucking more. And it would be one thing if I genuinely
like felt some fear around these people. I know apparently like people have told me I'm a person
that doesn't experience fear like other people do. But I don't get it. I don't get it. It comes
from a place of like high performance and deep insecurity or something. I don't know. But it's
expressed almost entirely through patches instead of just saying shit. Well, I think we have a
similar judge of character, but it came from very different places. Okay. Yours came from working
in the restaurant industry and just dealing with a lot of unreasonable people. Yeah. And mine came
from Belfast. A lot of unreasonable people. But you know, when you have that, when you have enough
experience, you kind of know when people are actually serious or not. And at a certain point,
when people put a false bravado, like you just know you can just smell it. You can just call them
on it. And the heart, the more than 99% like 99.99% of the Harley guys, like you can just
just like we can just identify it immediately. Yeah. Like nothing is going to happen. No. This person
just wants to be seen saying a bunch of stuff, but not even saying a bunch of stuff. Just just showing
off their vest that I'm wearing the vest. You know, I got my patch here that says band bras.
And I have a patch here that says fuck Biden. That'll teach him. You know, I have this one here
that says the second amendment is the first in my book. And I got this one over here that says,
I'm going to shoot you in the face. Right. Okay, bro. Whatever.
It's, but it's so cookie cutter. Like I was a big deal to have patches like on your backpack
in middle school. Like there is this one kid who had a patch that was like a metal chain with
like cigarettes stuck into the link. And it's a chain smoker. And we were like, whoa, this kid's
hard core. Right. And you know, he's in like eighth grade with this patch on his backpack because
it was just like, oh, you know, you couldn't just like order a patch that said that on Amazon.
He found it somewhere was like, I'm fucking putting this on. Right. Probably so did himself on
the right. Whereas now you get any patch that says anything. And it's like every year at the toy
where you can see like there's a new patch. It's like made the rounds. And they're like,
if you see this one, we all got to add this one on. Right. Let's all be exactly the same
together. Which if we're all being honest is just some mean girls bullshit. Yeah. Like
this is not something adults should be engaging with. No, it's not.
All right. So this is sort of related to the TT thing, but no, but it's still its own very
distinct thing. Legacy fraud fanboys. So these people who will bang on and on and on about like
the history of triumph and they own a triumph and whatever. And it's like, dude, your triumph is
from 2017. But your shirt says, you know, 1960 something like this doesn't add up. Doesn't add up.
I think I think the part that that gets me about this is this idea that everything new is somehow
inferior. Like, you know, whatever the whatever the fucking like power valve exhaust system was on
the VFR 1200F someone worked really fucking hard to get that to work correctly. Right. Yeah.
Why is it like not as cool as something from 1920 something or 60 something or 50 something or
whatever. Why do we have to insist that this company hinkley triumph? Like, why do we all have to
like try to believe together that it's this company that went out of business in like 1982
or 88 whenever what why do we have to try to believe that together. So there's actually I think
there's actually two different camps of this, which is the what are sort of like the moto menonites
and the like menonites. So like the the sort of people who claim that like fuel injection is trash.
And they'd rather have they would they think they've gone so far as to say that they think
that carburetors are superior to fuel injection. And then there are every once in a while you'll
meet a weirdo who's like, I don't trust electronic ignition. I'm a points kind of guy. Okay, buddy.
All right. Yeah. But then there are also kind of the legacy fraud people who who want to proclaim
that they're yeah that they're their new triumph has this deep rich legacy of of something.
But it's it's not really true. No, it's not at all. It's worse with the Polaris Indian guys for
sure. We Indians far worse than who owns like to well as a Corvette guy now, maybe you can tap
in to the culture and answer me this. Who has more gear with their brand on it Corvette guys or
Polaris Indian guys. Oh, it's it's Corvette guys 100%. Corvette guys. I mean Indian guys
will have to be making like a late run for the title, right? Corvette guys show up with like with
easels and like displays. They're really big about like they're there are Polaris there are Corvette
guys who put like stickers inside their windshield saying like this is a special edition. This is
number 126 of 500 of this run. Oh, there's lots of there's lots of classic car guys that do that
shit. Well, I mean now in fairness, there is kind of a legitimacy to a Corvette from if you own
like a C3 or a C4, you do actually kind of need to know exactly which one and they're like there
are certain months of the of each model year and you need to know when you're was built because
a C4 like an 86 C4 Corvette isn't actually just an 86 C4 Corvette in the most obnoxious way possible
which is not every 86 C4 Corvette has exactly the same parts. They're all kind of a little bit
fucked up where they just like change shit in the middle of the year. We're not only that like year
to year, there's differences of like 150 horsepower too. In the later models, yeah, or if you get
like a ZR. No, like I was looking into this from like the C3's like some of them are like 180 horsepower
and some of them are like 600 stock. It just well they those those are different models like the
the high performance one is usually like the the ZR1 from each generation and even those are
different from year to year. The thing that the obnoxious thing about it is that they're all like
it's not even a lot of the times it's not even like a performance thing it's just sort of like a
we ran out of this part and then we just started making them different and you got to have you
just kind of have to know what each run had. It's not a good thing. No, it's actually kind of
fucking obnoxious. It's kind of getting me to the point though like I said, but no, no, the
Flareus Indian guys all rock their Indian t-shirts when they're riding and probably 20% of days that
they're not riding as well. That's okay. Yes, on that front it's true, but the Corvette guys will like
the Corvette guys carry displays to bring with their cars so that when they park them they can
put them up and they carry do not touch signs to put next to their cars. It's a different league,
okay. I know, okay, okay, I got you. It's a different league, but I'm just saying like, you know,
on the precious category of people who really want you to know that they've got something that has
some sort of imaginary heritage. There's this performance that goes with it.
There's a lot of like, well, you know, I was thinking about a road glide, but I thought this is so
classic. It's so American something. It's so heritage this. It's so blah, blah, blah.
And then this even extends into bikes that are just complete pieces of shit. They just happen to
have an old name on them. And yeah, I mean, like those early 2000s, there's like 90s and 2000s
Royal Enfield Bullets is a great example. I mean, they were actually Royal Enfields, but
that's not a good thing. Right. Yeah, it was like, but you know, the other day, Mike and I were
making a run to the liquor store on the bikes, right? And this guy stops us in the parking lot.
And he's like, whoa, cool. And he points at Mike's Royal Enfield. And he's like, oh, don't see a lot
of those. And I was like, it's actually one of the best selling motorcycles this year. And in the
last five years, like it's right. You do see a lot of these. He's like, I mean, but it's Royal
Enfield. And Mike's like, it's a 2022. Right. And the guy was so deflated because he wanted to be
like, oh, my gosh, you've got this crazy old cafe racer thing. And I think I know what it is.
And he wanted to, he, if we didn't say anything, he was going to weave a narrative that Mike
was writing some sort of 1960s, possibly late 50s motorcycle. And there are plenty of people
that would be very happy to just surf that wave with him. Right. Yeah. You know, this is really not
all that much more high brow than the guy you were unfortunate enough with to lock eyes with
in the grocery store next to the eggs, who says, I'm going to have to take out a second mortgage
to buy these. Like, it's really kind of on that level just barely one notch above. Right. But it,
but there are people that think that, oh, where I'm a part of this because it's about something
a little bit more niche. It's not very deep. No. There were a couple more of these,
these precious categories that I was thinking about. Well, you actually, you already hit on it
with the carburetors over fuel injection thing, which is, yeah, again, it's not just the brand
specific, but the insistence that everything older is better. But this also ties into the guy who
thinks he's God's gift of motorcycling just because he's old.
Because I know a lot of people who are over 55, over 65, who are total fucking dipshits.
Like, being a dipshit is a life sentence. It doesn't go away. Right.
But I'm supposed to like fucking like respect these graybeards or like whatever the fuck. Right.
And, you know, when we're at a place like mid Ohio, I generally do a better job than when I'm at home
at just shutting the fuck up about it. But there's plenty of times I want to be like, just because
you're 63 doesn't mean you aren't a total fucking dipshit. Like, I need, I need to like witness you
accomplishing something or have evidence of it. Like, you can't just sit there and be like, well,
you know, when you get to be my age, right. It's not like I'm particularly young, right.
I mean, I don't feel like I'm fucking 41, but I somehow am. And there's a strong argument.
I'm no smarter than when I was 23. I don't know. I feel like there's a lot of just fucking old
dipshits, but there's something about the automotive world that somehow like every year of age
that gives you like, you know, wisdom credits in the real world counts double or triple in automotive terms.
And I think this is very performative also. Like people just sort of like wake up one day and
they're like, I think I have enough gray hair to start being a real dickhead about it.
Yeah, I don't know. It's at what age you just go, you know what? I'm joined in forums.
Oh, that's another one. Comments weren't for me, but you know what?
I'm going to start commenting away.
Well, another good one is, well, I maybe just lost it. It was, so the,
right at what it's a dead giveaway on the forums that someone is just old as fuck when they list the
shit that they own at the bot like they have like a sign off signature. That's like a list of bikes.
And it's like why, why do I care? Yeah, it might make a little bit more sense if it's like a very,
like a very specific forum. If it's like this forum, like this thread, you know, is for like
1988 phaser owners only, right? Like, you know, or like, you know, like a one model specific thing.
But like, if we're like on a gold wing forum, why do I care that you have a ruckus?
Or you used to have a Bonneville? Because that's a thing too. It'll be like 63 Bonneville sold.
Like, like, you know, 1971 H2 restored, you know, it'll say like a, you know, Indian Scout 60, the
WIFES. But it won't just be the bike. They'll be like something clarifying it afterwards.
Or, you know, blah, blah, blah, blah, the one that got away. So, um, I feel like we need to switch gears
a little bit. Okay. And we need to start aiming at younger people a little bit. Yes. And I have
um, something that actually, uh, annoyed something that I saw that annoyed me today. And this
is on a theme that we've kind of talked about a little bit before. And I've realized that this
is actually super specific, uh, to Suzuki owners. Oh, you have my attention. Uh, Suzuki, I am
starting to piece together a pattern. Uh, Suzuki owners, Suzuki is kind of the official brand
of people giving absolutely unqualified and unearned advice on how to ride motorcycles.
Oh, really? Um, I saw a great video today that was called definitely don't skip leg day.
And this is, this is unbelievable. Okay. This is a guy on a GSXR 600. Uh-huh.
Who is apparently a social media personality riding around doing the whole, um, uh, what's his name?
What's the famous Jixer bra? Jixer bra, yeah, Jixer bra type thing. And he's riding around. He's
taking an off ramp and he's not paying attention looking off. And this guy doesn't realize
that the person in front of him is braked is coming to a stop. Looks back at the last second.
Slams his brakes on his front brake on. And then rather than put his right foot on the rear brake,
sticks it out and puts it on the fucking ground to try and stop his bike. And then he's like,
oh, my God, that hurts so much. That was terrible. It's like this man did this and then looked at
the footage and thought, oh, this is gross. I'll post that. I'll post that on the internet.
That's not embarrassing at all. Oh, yeah, I'm not demonstrating that I'm a fucking idiot.
No, this will be fun. This is great. It's not that he's an idiot. It's just that he's not a
he's clearly not someone who's taken a class and practiced what he was told to practice.
Right, but supposedly this guy thinks that like, I don't know, this is, this is,
well, I'm saying he doesn't necessarily have a low IQ or something, but he is definitely not
full of, yeah, any motorcyclists either he's either completely shameless or a fucking idiot.
I'm going to lean towards shameless, but he could be an idiot. But in any case, well, actually
no, because he was given the opportunity to review the footage. It's really, yeah, it's like,
it's not, if you just saw someone do it, whatever, but you're right. The point at which you go,
no, I have to post this. Yeah, that's idiot territory. I can't defend that. It's like, yeah,
if I ever did something like that, I would immediately snap the SD card in half.
If you water boarded me, I would never reveal that I had done anything that fucking stupid,
but somehow to actually move your foot away from the break, right, when it was already there.
It's like, I'd start shooting witnesses. So yeah, the interesting thing, yeah, younger people
with motorcycles, there's this like idea that if you can't like 12 o'clock wheelie, you have no skills.
Right, well, not with all younger motorcycles, but with a certain breed of them, right?
If you're not taking extreme risk, then what do you even lift, right?
And I would say, remember when it was like a big thing for YouTubers to be posting
the sort of like cars versus motorcycles, like did you see what this guy did in traffic videos,
right? Yeah, like the average age of those posters was like like 21. This is probably like 21 to 25,
something like that. Right. So this is this is the territory of like stupid people who are
out to prove a point about something, even though they have nothing to back it up. I mean, I guess
we can just put it there like this is a super precious motorcycle attitude, like complaining about
maneuvers people making cars. Oh, yeah, is performative 100% of the time. And you know, to some
degree, there is a little performance inevitably when someone goes, well, you know, it doesn't matter
if you were right. You're still the one that's going to get hurt. But at least that's correct.
Right. But even if the person saying it is like, well, I'm just going to repeat this thing
that I've heard other people fucking say, it is actually correct. But you can't fault that.
It's like, well, on the bike, you'll lose. That's that has the benefit of being true. But
what has no value is just bitching about what some other car did and you're on a bike like,
because people do it all the time like car to car. But you know, as you and you've pointed this out
before, a lot of people complain about what a car did to sort of like mask their own bad writing
habits. What was that YouTuber Dan Dan the fireman, right? Who used to do like writing videos like
motor vlogs switched completely to just reviewing motorcycle GoPro footage that became his entire
channel. He became an MSF instructor in shit. And 100% all the videos, and I can do this with those
videos too, just break down like, all right, pause. Okay, right here, this person should, this
should have been their first thing to be like, reduce speed. Like what the fuck you do? Like,
you're already headed for trouble and blah, blah, blah. You know, just breaking it down second by
second, the mistakes that people are making. And it's almost always that this person made like six
mistakes that then lead into the situation and then a car does something unexpected. You know,
like like right from the like these videos start and it's like half a second and he's like,
they're in the wrong lane position. Where are your escape routes? What do you do? Right?
Yeah, yeah, young idiots on sport bikes complaining about cars. So fucking performative.
Why so precious? Why? I'm so glad that that's not like a YouTube trend anymore.
Yeah, I think in a way, we are kind of, we are kind of lucky in that we did kind of just
barely dodged the bullet of like having things like social media to be able to shape our opinions
on these things. Yeah, I didn't even have a smartphone till I was 30.
And it was a Walmart smartphone. Like it couldn't really, I calling it a smartphone's a stretch,
that for like, I'll just say that was the first phone I had that could play YouTube videos
and had a web browser. It wasn't even the full on like there was not a lot of
like it wasn't even like real Android. It was some like very light version of Android that it was running.
I'm trying to think when did I get my fruit? I was probably like 24, 23 someone like that.
Yeah, you probably beat me to the punch by a couple of years, but I was just like, why would I?
Um, I think just being able to walk around with podcasts was like what kind of got me to like pull
the trigger on actually getting a smartphone. And then when I discovered like, oh, like I can have
like a Pandora account in a Bluetooth speaker. Like, okay, this is for me. Like I didn't know that
I had been waiting for that my whole life. And it just completed this part of me.
But yeah, it definitely, yeah, like I said, I was 30. Straight up. Okay, so,
that just reminds me, fuck, that means I was like, I had been a restaurant manager for years.
And I didn't even know that group text were a thing. Those, that was the great time.
That was a great time. It was also peak gluten-free years when I was like 28. That was the peak of the,
oh, if you give me gluten, I'll just explode. That was not a great time in restaurants, but we're over.
Apparently a bunch of people became gluten intolerant. And then it just went away.
Just like pet allergies and carpal tunnel syndrome. And
you think maybe autism will be the next one. No, that one's pretty real.
No, I know autism is real. I'm saying the ridiculous self-reported spike in it.
Oh, yeah, we'll go back to autism isn't real. I know I'm known for hot tanks. That's a little
ridiculous even for me. I'm saying the self, the self-dying spike in autism. I think we'll go
back to 2000s autism levels. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay, fair enough, fair enough.
Carpal tunnels real too. It just turns out you have to be like working on like an 1800s rail road
to get away. Yeah, that's. So anyway, let's circle back with a couple more
middle-high old things and then get out of here. So, um,
we're, so what I will say is I'm sticking to my new year's resolution. I'm not buying a bike
this year. That's fine. No, it's absolutely, no, I don't want to buy anything either. I would
like to unload some stuff if I can. If well, if I'm going to load anything, it's the XR 70.
That's number one. I need to unload it anyway. So it seems like a thing. Number two,
like, yeah, do I race something? We're kind of at a premium for space in the thing, right?
Like we may just want to borrow that rear carrier that ditch has just to like strap coolers and
shit too. I think even if we don't take a third bike, strapping that to the back is a good idea.
Okay. Um, I'm going to be taking my pedal steel and an amplifier out as far as Indiana at least.
We're going to place some gigs of the old band in Indiana on the way out there.
Can we justify finding a spot for that in the truck? Probably not.
It's kind of big and bulky. The pedal steel and the stool and an amp and also the stool be
multifunctional. That's true. It would be the small little amp that I've got, but again,
it depends on someone else having a generator. We can, we can leave out the steel, but
it's, uh, should make room for at least a acoustic guitar thing. So apparently there's going to be like
some jamming going on this year. So we've got to include that. Um, basically there's a part of
me that wants to ride the Vespa with dirt tires instead of the gyro. The gyro makes it around
mid Ohio fine, but it doesn't have like the best rear suspension.
But it's not a lot of travel. It bottoms out pretty easy. I'd be more comfortable on the Vespa,
but it does have the advantage that you could drink and smoke in it a lot easier than the Vespa.
But basically the big reason is moving ice. Can we justify taking the Vespa if we're only
taking two to get over the ice problem? Well, we will have a pickup truck. We can take the pickup
truck to get ice. I know it's, it's more fun to take bikes everywhere and do everything, but
it's kind of a pain in the ass to get a car in and out of there though. Like on Saturday and
shit. Like, you know, I can, wait, what are we talking about? I can carry like 30 pounds of ice.
We're not 30 pounds, but I could carry like 20 pounds of ice on the Italian jet in the tunnel bag
and under the seat and in a backpack. Well, you got to split it up that way, but I mean,
I guess you can just hold it between your knees. I've got a lot of storage on the Italian jet.
Well, you have some of the most storage that's ever been put on an Italian jet. This is true,
but it's nothing compared to the gyro. Also with the gyro, we could sell pizza again and make like
a bunch of gas money. But do we want to actually spend, I spent a lot of time
driving around, spending pizza before, like maybe we don't even want to just like, I don't think
it's worth the time. I just spend the money on gas and enjoy ourselves. I'd rather just enjoy
myself. So the question is, yeah, do we want to take the vest, the vest and leave the gyro, but
like the gyro is, it brings so much joy at me to hire too. Well, it's going to be up to you.
Okay, I'll flip a coin on that. Anything else? Well, just the things that I'm supposed to.
Well, here we go. I've got to make the drink list, right? What am I bringing ingredients for?
Part of me is kind of thinking like, well, fuck it. Like,
let's just leave the painkillers out of the situation. Right? Let's focus on, we'll give people
blue Hawaiians instead if they want like a super numby, very easy, basic bitch drink. Right?
You've gotten, you've really turned on the blue Hawaiian and then the painkiller recently.
Well, they're fine. They're fine. It's just that there's so many more things that I enjoy so much more,
right? I think we can, we can put a list together and do it. I think you are, I want to have at least
four drinks that we're going to do that we're stocked for that we can make, you know, a bunch of
each night. So Thursday, Friday and Saturday nights, we don't have to have like unlimited cocktails
for everybody, but I'm imagining like probably, you know, we're going to make like probably somewhere
in the neighborhood of 40 or 50 cocktails I'm thinking. I think we just need to focus on
what are the hard to find things that we need to bring? What's not going to be in easy reach?
So let's bring mint, let's bring lemon and lime juice.
Yeah, I guess, I guess that area around Midohaya is a little bit of a food desert. We need to like
just stop in Columbus and just get like 10 pounds of limes or something. Yeah. But things like
orange and blue cursao are not going to be tricky to find, but like a nice, like a good dark rum,
things like, like, let's end, you know, and things like the syrup and the syrups I have all
covered. I'm going to have a day. And then just make this and then whole nutmeg. Let's focus on
bring, let's, let's look at like what are the, you know, and maybe like, you know, like things like
absinthe and what is it that goes into um, I'm blanking on it.
Brazilian drink. Oh, the kyparinia? kyparinia. Yeah. Oh, that would be interesting. Yeah,
because those are so easy to make. We just need sugar, limes and the, yeah. Let's just bring,
yeah, the sabote. Let's just bring, let's bring all the hard to get stuff. And then for like,
and then you know, like getting things like clear rum and vodka and like orange and blue cursao,
things like that. Those are going to be super easy. So those are things that can be restocked. So
bring the hard to find stuff and then we'll fill it out. Right. Well, the hard to find stuff also
kind of is the rum as well though, because if you're making these drinks properly, there are specific
rums that you need. So like, for example, if I want to make jungle birds, I kind of need like a
blend of pot still dark rums. Um, although for middle high, I would probably just buy
mires and use that. But you know, for the painkillers, we want pussers from, right? There is a good
off the shelf like one bottle solution that's pre blended for zombies and jet pilots.
We've got to make zombies, especially the, the way that I figured out to make them that most
people are like, Oh, fuck yeah, right? And we've got to make my ties.
Actually, this is kind of a good, this is a good excuse to just make the essential drinks, right?
So if we're not doing my ties, what the fuck are we doing? Right? And we could just keep it super
basic and do like my ties, painkillers, or blue Hawaiians, plus zombies. And then I think we
should do Saturn's too. We can do like such a crowd pleaser. Then we can, yeah, then like Saturn's
kyparinias as like an off a different one. And then maybe like one other drink. And then
that's not super complicated. That's not a very, that's not a super diverse list of ingredients.
Yeah, that's only three syrups. That's the Don's mix. That's Orja. That's
Follernum and one more. And the the the rich syrup with the vanilla and in the salt. And then
yeah, I mean, it's going to be like 10 or 12 bottles of shit. But we'll get that going.
And we'll point them in. All right, let's get two and a half hours. Let's go. Yeah, we're good. We're
we're going to get out of here. All right. So, um, is there anything else that we wanted to add?
I felt like there's something else I wanted to add to this, but it didn't fucking matter. Let's just
run the outro and I don't want to die. I just want to ride on my motor side.